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Shiori; It's about time
Topic Started: Mar 10 2014, 12:29 PM (861 Views)
JustZhxi
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I think it's about time we discussed this clan and why it's jutsus is a bit over the top.


Firstly when trapped in mirrors there is no way other than Katon to get out and he has all the time in the world cause the drain for mirrors is ridiculously low.


They have ice field to make people walk or at least 8 second stun every 2 seconds and it won't stop unless you walk. They have a rock bind Or if you prefer Ice bine that does A LOT of damage and is nearly unstruggleable.

They have Ice sawarbi that has the potential for 900 vitality dammage in a AOE of 12x12 ...... This doesn't even take WP of have any form of chakra drain.

Let's not even forget their snow armor that does 50 vit and 300 stamina per second when your just around them and with ice feild GG.


This clan needs a serious rework and I'm not even complaining about it. It's just no one clan should have all that POWER.

Certain things stay the way they are and no one even speaks up about it for one the ice sawarbi should take WP
Edited by JustZhxi, Mar 10 2014, 12:30 PM.
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Fox
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Ice Sawa shouldn't take WP, I'd love to hear your reasoning for that as I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion. Maybe you thought "there is another move with sawa in the name that takes WP so this one should to?" I'm not really sure. . .

"This clan needs a serious rework and I'm not even complaining about it. It's just no one clan should have all that POWER." Yes, you are complaining about it. . .

It has been suggested that Mirrors should be able to be destroyed by alternative means other than Katon. This may already be in the game, in some form or another.

Ice Field or Ice Creation is an odd little jutsu. I think it would be best if the move just spawned the tiles in a field around the Shiori, and any player (other than the user) that walks on it is chilled (Movement Speed Reduction, Swift/Speed Dice Reduction, Hand Seal Speed Reduction) while on the tiles and for a moment afterwards. To prevent Shioris from just dropping it on top of people (if this is decided to be a problem) it could spawn a moment or two later after it is used and a tell could be introduced that informs players where it is going to spawn (such as tinting the tiles blue).

Ice Bind is pretty silly, I personally feel as if it should encase the targeted player making them take 90(?)% less damage from all sources. With the encase having its own health, meaning if someone hits the player affected by it too many times they can break their own bind. The move had a few other bugs the last time I was a Shiori, for example even if you break out if it, it still did damage to the player which confused some people? It also didn't notify the player when they broke out of it either at the time, so if a Shiori wants to bug test this particular move it would be helpful.

Rename Snow Armor to Snow Aura/Ice Aura, give it a chance to Chill (like Ice Creation) any player within 3(?) tiles of the user. The Chill will last X seconds, but any player already chilled has a chance to be encased in a block of ice (like Ice Bind but easier to struggle out of) While Ice Aura is active, 40(?)% of the Shiori's Chakra is reserved, and every time a player is chilled or Encased they'll lose X Chakra.

Ice Sawa should have a lower range for damage and receive a new "fragile ice" obj, when a player (or other obj) bumps into them they are destroyed. So, a player could "carve" his way through them by running into them, but they still can serve the purpose of blocking certain moves. Players that bump into the ice have a chance to be chilled.

As you can tell, I'm trying to push this "Chilled" status. . .Mostly because it seems cool on paper. Hue. Anyways, it would create a new element of play yadayada etc.

Also, remove the Natural Water buff. It is retarded.

"Certain things stay the way they are and no one even speaks up about it" This is probably one of the most complained about clans in the game.
Edited by Fox, Mar 10 2014, 01:00 PM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain and most of their moves only wokr on water whihc means Both Doton and Katon can beat Shiroi's
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Mar 10 2014, 01:02 PM
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain and most of their moves only wokr on water whihc means Both Doton and Katon can beat Shiroi's
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain

Damn.
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JustZhxi
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Mar 10 2014, 12:56 PM
Ice Sawa shouldn't take WP, I'd love to hear your reasoning for that as I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion. Maybe you thought "there is another move with sawa in the name that takes WP so this one should to?" I'm not really sure. . .

Why Ice sawarbi should take WP it's a huge ass jutsu that does 900% vitality kaguya sawarbi is the same system and drains a kaguya like **** to even get that big ......

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Mar 10 2014, 01:04 PM
Chet
Mar 10 2014, 01:02 PM
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain and most of their moves only wokr on water whihc means Both Doton and Katon can beat Shiroi's
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain

Damn.
Probably not the way it was meant to be said but they have a decent chakra drain on their mirros which makes it not so OP they can't hold it up forever
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Mar 10 2014, 01:04 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 01:02 PM
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain and most of their moves only wokr on water whihc means Both Doton and Katon can beat Shiroi's
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain

Damn.
This is bull shit Pokect made a shiori a ****ing Tai shiori and his drain was .3% don't give me that shit
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JustZhxi
Mar 10 2014, 01:06 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 01:04 PM
Chet
Mar 10 2014, 01:02 PM
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain and most of their moves only wokr on water whihc means Both Doton and Katon can beat Shiroi's
Shiroi arent really that OP no lie, the mirrors have a chakra drain

Damn.
This is bull shit Pokect made a shiori a ****ing Tai shiori and his drain was .3% don't give me that shit
this era or last era? cuz rememebr he had a bijuu
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Mar 10 2014, 01:06 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 12:56 PM
Ice Sawa shouldn't take WP, I'd love to hear your reasoning for that as I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion. Maybe you thought "there is another move with sawa in the name that takes WP so this one should to?" I'm not really sure. . .

Why Ice sawarbi should take WP it's a huge ass jutsu that does 900% vitality kaguya sawarbi is the same system and drains a kaguya like **** to even get that big ......

I mean, you can bring up a stupid mechanic all you want, but that doesn't mean another Jutsu should have that dumb fuck ass mechanic. The only reason that move even has a willpower drain (probably!) is because it is something left over for shitty RP reasons. Sawa hasn't been powerful enough to justify a WP drain for a long time. PLUS I'm fairly sure you can remove the WP drain on that move by maxing one of their passive anyways. Or doing something else? I'd have to ask Kiruzon or Sasuna cause I don't quite remember.

Kaguya Sawa also isn't the "same system" as Ice Forest. . .You cannot teleport to your Ice Spikes, nor do Bone Trees (Ima call em dat) only spawn on a specific tile. Calling them the "same system" is like saying Wood Forest and Ice Mirrors are the "same system" because they do one or two things similar.
Edited by Fox, Mar 10 2014, 01:21 PM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Mar 10 2014, 01:09 PM
JustZhxi
Mar 10 2014, 01:06 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 12:56 PM
Ice Sawa shouldn't take WP, I'd love to hear your reasoning for that as I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion. Maybe you thought "there is another move with sawa in the name that takes WP so this one should to?" I'm not really sure. . .

Why Ice sawarbi should take WP it's a huge ass jutsu that does 900% vitality kaguya sawarbi is the same system and drains a kaguya like **** to even get that big ......

I mean, you can bring up a stupid mechanic all you want, but that doesn't mean another Jutsu should have that dumb **** ass mechanic. The only reason that move even has a willpower drain (probably!) is because it is something left over for shitty RP reasons. Sawa hasn't been powerful enough to justify a WP drain for a long time. PLUS I'm fairly sure you can remove the WP drain on that move by maxing one of their passive anyways. Or doing something else? I'd have to ask Kiruzon or Sasuna cause I don't quite remember.

Kaguya Sawa also isn't the "same system" as Ice Forest. . .You cannot teleport to your Ice Spikes, nor do Bone Trees (Ima call em dat) only spawn on a specific tile. Calling them the "same system" is like saying Wood Forest and Ice Mirrors are the "same system".
I realize i'm not that good at debating my point here vs fox but Ice mirrors and wood forest were the same at a certain point of time both can be destroyed by fire but only 1 was SEMI escape able.

As for the kaguya Issue it should'nt drain WP and to my knowl I have no idea what stops it from draining(If it does) I just use it in a 1-2 tile and hope it isn't doing my WP anything.


The both hit's basically the same damage except one has WP damage if you extend that far.

It's just the unfairness of the clans itself Like Kusakin has sage mode. why would they need that. NFF just gives unnecessary overpowered shit to perfectly fine clans and makes them unbalanced. Shiori was fine without Ice feild/IcePrison/Snow armor why did they need that ??? no reason what so ever.


Edit: take win i got class now
Edited by JustZhxi, Mar 10 2014, 01:25 PM.
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A lot of shit doesn't "need" anything, but new content is always nice to see. Sasuna must have thought Kusakin Sage Mode was cool, so he decided to add it. That's perfectly fine! Yeah everyone would have liked for it to be a little more balanced, but hey. He tries hard, and I'm sure he'll get to it eventually.

You can't get mad at something getting new content, that's ridiculous. The only thing you could mean by saying something like that is "I am upset because he isn't working on the things I want him to work on!". Now if he were to restructure an entire clan and fuck everything up, or give people shit like FTG and the ability to fucking wipe people that'd be something different but these are are a few moves.

Although, Wood Forest and Mirrors both have the capability to trap players they are mechanically very different and shouldn't be considered the "same system".
Edited by Fox, Mar 10 2014, 01:41 PM.
http://users.pop.umn.edu/~matt0350/images/forumcrap/october/scream.pdf
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Mar 10 2014, 01:32 PM
A lot of shit doesn't "need" anything, but new content is always nice to see. Sasuna must have thought Kusakin Sage Mode was cool, so he decided to add it. That's perfectly fine! Yeah everyone would have liked for it to be a little more balanced, but hey. He tries hard, and I'm sure he'll get to it eventually.

You can't get mad at something getting new content, that's ridiculous. The only thing you could mean by saying something like that is "I am upset because he isn't working on the things I want him to work on!". Now if he were to restructure an entire clan and **** everything up, that'd be something different but these are are a few moves.

Although, Wood Forest and Mirrors both have the capability to trap players they are mechanically very different and shouldn't be considered the "same system".
I'm not saying it's not nice to see new things hell I was excited to see Raining Tag scroll and Rasengan Barrage but when something comes out you try your very best to balance the jutsu to keep the gameplay fair and even only problem with it
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rofl dude said ice sawaribi does 900% vit dmg.
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Edited by Blubbles, Mar 10 2014, 01:44 PM.
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Fox
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Yes, that's true. But is Wood Sage anything like FTG, Body Swap, C0, or Magical Rinnegan Eye Wipe?

To me, the concept of "Sage Mode" isn't necessarily flawed and I believe it could be implemented in some way. (I have even suggested a way for Wood Sage. . .) I'm sure the move will be balanced eventually, but until then the move isn't overwhelmingly game breaking like a Tobi Mask that lets you become mother fucking Kage. All in all, new content like that is fine even if it isn't going where you want it to (I'd like my suggestions to be added in the game to you know, I even dumb them down more than I want too. . .like the one in this god damn topic) The game is still moving in a better direction. Also, Ice Creation and Ice Prison old as shit. I'm just rambling now though.
Edited by Fox, Mar 10 2014, 01:54 PM.
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Chet saying Mirrors aren't OP because they have a chakra drain reminded me of the time Yagito/Midnight said his edits weren't OP because they had a chakra drain.
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